Jennifer Vancil, Communicating Strengths: The Coaches Table
In this engaging podcast episode, hosts Bill Dippel and Sarah Collins welcome Jennifer Doyle Vancil, a strengths coach and facilitator. The conversation begins with light-hearted banter about the podcast's lack of financial compensation, leading into a discussion about random facts and personal stories. Jennifer shares her background in higher education and her transition to coaching, emphasizing her strengths-based approach. The hosts explore the emotional complexities of career coaching, the importance of holding space for clients, and the need for structure in the coaching process. In this conversation, the speakers delve into the intricacies of career coaching, emphasizing the importance of individualization, strategic thinking, and the ideation process. They discuss how to partner ideation with strategy, navigate career transitions, and leverage strengths in career development. The conversation highlights the cyclical nature of career development, the significance of self-exploration, and the challenges of value discrepancies in career choices. The speakers also address the potential obstacles that strengths can create and the importance of understanding what can and cannot be changed in one's career journey. In this engaging conversation, Jennifer Doyle Vancil, Sarah Collins, and Bill Dippel explore the dynamics of personal strengths, particularly focusing on the Woo and Relator themes. They discuss the challenges of maintaining relationships, the importance of trust in connections, and how understanding one's strengths can foster empathy and improve communication. Jennifer shares insights from her upcoming book on strengths-based careers, emphasizing the value of personal stories in navigating career paths and building meaningful connections.
To contact Jennifer:
https://www.communicatingstrengths.com/
7 Main Takeaways
1. Knowing Your Strengths Enhances Career Success
Jennifer emphasizes how understanding and leveraging CliftonStrengths can guide career decisions, improve job satisfaction, and create opportunities that align with natural talents.
2. Woo + Relator Can Be a Double-Edged Sword
Both Jennifer and Bill share how their combination of Woo and Relator creates strong connections but can also lead to spreading themselves too thin or coming on too strong when building relationships.
3. Career Change Requires Both Strategy and Self-Awareness
Jennifer highlights the importance of first understanding oneself (values, strengths, interests) before exploring new career options. Many people rush to job searching without doing the self-exploration work first.
4. Strengths Shape How You Approach Change
Different people navigate career and life transitions uniquely based on their strengths. Someone high in Deliberative may take years to make a change, while an Activator will move quickly. Knowing your natural tendencies helps you manage change effectively.
5. The Power of Individualization in Coaching
Jennifer’s approach to career coaching isn’t one-size-fits-all. She adapts based on each client’s strengths, whether that means helping an ideation-heavy person focus or drawing out possibilities for someone who feels stuck.
6. Recognizing When a Problem is a ‘Gravity Problem’
Some career challenges, like salary caps in certain industries, are unchangeable (like gravity). Instead of fighting them, people must recognize when it’s time to pivot or find alternative solutions.
7. Communication is Key in Career and Business Relationships
Jennifer shared how she adjusted her working relationship with a structured marketing consultant by shifting task assignments from a rigid system to direct communication, showing the importance of knowing how you work best and advocating for it.
Jennifer's Top 10 CliftonStrengths
1) Communication
2) Connectedness
3) Maximizer
4) Woo
5) Relator
6) Positivity
7) Belief
8) Individualization
9) Strategic
10) Ideation
Bill's Top 10 CliftonStrengths
1) Individualization
2) Developer
3) Activator
4) Woo
5) Restorative
6) Empathy
7) Harmony
8) Connectedness
9) Relator
10) Learner
Sarah's Top 10 CliftonStrengths
1) Positivity
2) Woo
3) Communication
4) Harmony
5) Activator
6) Developer
7) Input
8) Individualization
9) Responsibility
10) Arranger
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Transcript
Bill Dippel (00:01.822)
And Sarah Collins in the house.
Sarah Collins (00:05.135)
Whoop whoop! Hello Mr. Bill Dippel! Da da da da da!
Bill Dippel (00:07.646)
Woo, I get some Sarah Collins in my day. I'm always happy, always happy. mean.
Sarah Collins (00:13.711)
Same, same. It feels good when we get to show up to the podcast, even though it pays us zero dollars.
Bill Dippel (00:17.744)
It does. I know we get nothing for this. Hey, any anyone interested in in any sort of advertising chip us five bucks and we'll
Sarah Collins (00:28.143)
Yeah, I was just texting Bill. said, my husband says we're making too much content to be doing it for free. So somebody needs to pay us. If you like this, you know, pass this on to your friends with money because we need.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (00:28.382)
you
Bill Dippel (00:40.242)
Yeah. Someone pay us someone, someone from a soft, just pay our software bill. That's all I want. You know, pass that. We're good.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (00:40.302)
You
Sarah Collins (00:47.181)
Yeah, yeah, that's right. That way it's not costing us money to make.
Bill Dippel (00:52.23)
Right. Well, that would be great. Although honestly, I enjoy it so much. It's okay that it costs me some money. Plus you and I have talked about, we've had a couple clients reach out to us because of this.
Sarah Collins (00:57.973)
I agree. But see...
Sarah Collins (01:02.543)
Absolutely. It's just one of those things where my husband is very business minded and I am very people minded. So I'm like, the podcast is so successful. Like listen to how many people listen to it and all these conversations we have. And he's like, how much money do you make? And I'm like, about that. Not I'm like, that's not really the goal of the podcast. And he's like, isn't it for your business? I'm like, OK.
Bill Dippel (01:20.957)
So...
Bill Dippel (01:29.297)
think it is, right? I think it's, So I, yeah. We'll get there. We'll figure it out. Someone will come in. But, you know, the question for you today, Sarah, the one I wanna throw at you and see, what do you think, what is the most random fact that you know?
Sarah Collins (01:32.175)
We'll work it out in post.
Sarah Collins (01:56.067)
that Justin Timberlake's birthday is January 31st and his favorite color is baby blue, or it was when he was like 18.
Bill Dippel (02:01.661)
What? What? A JT fan?
Sarah Collins (02:06.223)
I was a humongous Nsync and particularly Justin Timberlake fan for most of my preteen teen young adult life to the fact that my room was one of those covered and Nsync posters. I had a VHS called Inside Nsync that I watched every day after school for like a year. And then as I got older, I was so into Justin Timberlake one time when I was in grad school, poor, just
Bill Dippel (02:17.094)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (02:21.149)
yes.
Bill Dippel (02:27.857)
Me too, me too. No, no.
Sarah Collins (02:35.727)
Dirt poor living on like a thousand bucks a month for everything right getting this small stipend Justin Timberlake is on a tour with Jay Z. It was this like suit and tie Tour and it the closest to Nebraska was Chicago So I bought one VIP ticket and a bus ticket and I took a bus to Chicago To sit in the VIP section by myself Yes, I did
Bill Dippel (03:04.808)
And? And?
Sarah Collins (03:06.317)
And it was great. actually made, I was in the fourth row. I made friends with these two guys in the first row and they were going to let me stand there for the show. Cause it was like pre-show and the security guard was like, ma'am, you need to go back to your seat. I was like, but these nice gentlemen would like me to stand with them. And he was like, I don't think so, sweetheart, get back to your seat. And luckily for me, there was this nice family, this very obviously privileged family. had these like smaller children with them in the fourth row.
They became my friends and they like took me in as part of their family since I was just some weird like 26 year old girl in the fourth row of Justin Timberlake by herself. But yes, so, you know, big fan, big fan. And I recently made friends with a stranger at the grocery store. This is like the most woo thing I've ever done. This girl has this instinct hat on and I'm like, hey, cool hat. She's like, my God, turns out she's a way bigger.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (03:43.585)
you
Bill Dippel (03:44.177)
Wow. Wow. Congratulations.
Bill Dippel (03:53.629)
no.
Sarah Collins (04:01.571)
Justin Timberlake and NSYNC fan than I am. And we exchanged numbers and we actually went out to lunch last week.
Bill Dippel (04:04.029)
Hmm.
Bill Dippel (04:09.351)
Wow. Wow. Very cool. Very cool. Very cool. So I actually thought about this one for a second beforehand. didn't just throw it out there and then go, my gosh. And it's slightly relevant actually in an interesting way that should give it away. So I was watching Jeopardy a while back and this was years ago. I don't tend to watch it anymore and I used to watch it fairly often.
Sarah Collins (04:12.149)
Mm-hmm. So there you go. Okay, how about you?
Bill Dippel (04:37.309)
and they had a factoid on and it just stuck with me and I thought that's fascinating and the question and the question was can you the first president born in a hospital
Sarah Collins (04:43.789)
I'm gonna remember it.
Sarah Collins (04:55.747)
Listen, I don't know. You're gonna have to tell us otherwise we're gonna have dead air.
Bill Dippel (04:56.602)
I know it's tough. Well, I kind of gave you a lead in saying it's a little relevant at the moment. It was Jimmy Carter.
Sarah Collins (05:06.639)
Look at that!
Bill Dippel (05:07.229)
Now, you know, this was on this was years ago on Jeopardy. I'm sure one of our listeners is probably going to write and go, actually, that's not true. Or I misremembered it, but I'm pretty positive. You know, Jeopardy hit it probably on the head. I'm sure their fact checkers are pretty good.
Sarah Collins (05:23.471)
You know, it seems really fitting that your random fact is like, you know, I don't want to say current event, but you know, something like with substance, some actual fact in mind was just a random pop culture tidbit that seems really on brand for us.
Bill Dippel (05:33.309)
Mm-hmm. I would.
wouldn't. Digital Underground came on the other day with Underwater Rhymes and I sang every word in the car. No, Digital Underground. It's a band. my, I...
Sarah Collins (05:45.219)
You mean digital get down? What's that? I thought we were talking in sync. was like the, the in sync song is digital get down digital, digital get down. Just you and me. That song is low key dirty. Didn't know it, you know, back when it rolled out with the dial up internet, which if you listen to that song, there is dial up internet sound. So any young folk out there, if you're like, what a dial up internet sound like go to digital get down by in sync.
Bill Dippel (05:54.439)
No.
Sarah Collins (06:13.485)
You get yourself some dial up internet sounds. Wow. I hate to put our guests on the spot, but like, feel like Jennifer, you probably have a random fact that you know. Do you have one at top of your mind?
Bill Dippel (06:15.587)
I love it. I love it. So good. Yeah.
Bill Dippel (06:23.889)
We gotta, we gotta ask.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (06:24.158)
man, I was so hoping you weren't gonna ask me because I have input envy and I don't retain these random facts, but my own random music-related fact is that I have seen Jackson Brown in concert four times, three times at Red Rocks, which is kind of different. So, but that definitely dates me. Jackson Brown, classic rock, definitely not the NSYNC crowd, so.
Sarah Collins (06:43.104)
my gosh.
Bill Dippel (06:50.822)
Nice!
Sarah Collins (06:50.915)
I was like, I don't want to sound rude, but I don't know who that is. Can we sing a song? What is the song?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (06:55.182)
man, okay, you know, stay just a little longer. You know that one. Right? That's right. That's right.
Bill Dippel (06:55.797)
wow, I thought, little bit.
Sarah Collins (07:02.063)
Okay, okay, I know this, I know this. Thank you. I just really wanted everyone here to sing so I wasn't the only one.
Bill Dippel (07:02.961)
day, right? And actually, actually, he's got a pretty big repertoire of music. I saw him at Long Beach Arena decades ago. And fantastic show. Wonderful, wonderful show. So yeah, I agree. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (07:18.881)
Well, I'm just so happy to welcome our guests today. have Jennifer Doyle Vansel of Communicating Strengths with us. She's a coach, she's a facilitator and soon to be author. So I'm so excited to get to know her. Jennifer, tell the audience a little bit about yourself. How did you sort of get to be this business owner and strengths coach that you are today and also give us your top 10?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (07:42.066)
Okay, all right, top 10. I lead with communication. So you will definitely hear that today. Connectedness, which means everything has meaning and purpose for me. Maximizer, take everything from good to great. I have woo and relator. So I love to meet everyone. And then I want to stay in touch. So that is a super fun challenge. Positivity. And then I've got belief, individualization, strategic and ideation.
Bill Dippel (08:11.933)
So good and that woo-ry later means you remember every little detail about meeting those people. I found out in our, I found out in our pre-show. So yes, uh-huh, go on. You wanna...
Sarah Collins (08:18.433)
and individualization.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (08:23.118)
Yes, yes, yes, I did. I remember the details of how I met both Bill and Sarah, but I guess context matters for some of you. I was in higher ed for many years, 24 years full-time and higher education. I was at the University of Alaska and Colorado State University. I'm a relator, so I stay in jobs for super long time. So like two universities for 14 years. And then I started my business on the side and
Now I'm full time doing coaching and consulting. of course, always a story there. But that's a little bit of context about me.
Sarah Collins (09:01.007)
I love how you said some of you care about contacts. And if we look at Jennifer's full 34, we know it's not her because context is 32 for her. So thank you.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (09:04.686)
Nope.
Bill Dippel (09:10.041)
And and and 34 for me, Jennifer. So when you told me the story of how you and I met early on, I'm of course, the city there and I barely remember, you know, meeting Sarah four days ago on a podcast. So thank you for for helping me out.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (09:22.002)
So now I'm curious, but we were at a conference, a Gallup conference, and there was a coaches event. We were at this rooftop bar and just, you know, randomly met. And I must have said some question like, tell me, tell me about what you do and what you're most excited about. And Bill, you started explaining to me all about what CliftonStrengths was and how you used it with teams and you helped people work from their strengths. And I just started laughing because I was like, yeah.
Me too. We have the same job.
Bill Dippel (09:53.33)
Yeah, I do this too. And we, right. And we were laughing in the pre show because I don't know why I would be at a Gallup rooftop event, not assume everyone's a coach. Something, something happened, something cute. I don't know. I believe I think it's some of those there. Gallup invites a lot of potential and new clients as well. So maybe I was under that that construct. That's the only defense I might possibly have. So I would just
Sarah Collins (09:57.077)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (10:03.032)
Thank
Sarah Collins (10:15.16)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (10:19.56)
I must have looked corporate. I think probably.
Bill Dippel (10:23.462)
I would say you.
Sarah Collins (10:23.649)
Or your communication was just so curious that you asked a question that he was like, she must not know. I'm just going to tell her.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (10:26.734)
Yeah!
Yeah, she must not know. So I'm going to tell her, no, was totally good because you explained it really well. I'm like, ooh, I'm going to explain it that way too next time. That was good.
Bill Dippel (10:36.039)
I'm gonna drop that number. I like that. again, I love that we met that way that you brought it up and reminded me of it. I just, laugh. I laugh at how sometimes I can't read a room. So I do suffer. Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (10:50.702)
Well, I have blue contacts too, so it's okay.
Sarah Collins (10:53.155)
All
Bill Dippel (10:55.579)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (10:56.109)
Which this is funny because as you two were just talking, I looked up my list because I was like, where's my context? You all, this makes sense. My context is number 11, which explains why every time I talk to anyone, I'm like, tell me your story. I need to know everything about you up until the day you were born to why you are sitting here in front of me today. yeah, she's strong in the context. That makes sense. So, you know, just been doing the strengths coaching thing for over a decade and still here going.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (11:11.694)
Thank
It's true.
Bill Dippel (11:19.719)
Yes.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (11:25.172)
Yes.
Sarah Collins (11:25.581)
That's why I do that. That makes sense. Jennifer, you're such a good coach. You got that out of me and you didn't even know you were gonna do it.
Bill Dippel (11:27.624)
that makes sense now. So good. So good.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (11:30.264)
Yes.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (11:35.551)
So.
Bill Dippel (11:35.644)
I'm in Jennifer's now my coach. That's all there is to it. So yeah, I can't know Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte will be my coach forever. She is just too, too amazing at what she does, but Jennifer, your coaching acumen and way you build around communication and having that with, with your, with the people you're, you're coaching with that connectedness, which is very high for me to my connectedness is way up there.
Sarah Collins (11:38.371)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (11:38.846)
don't tell Charlotte.
Bill Dippel (12:00.477)
It's eight for me, but it definitely bonds me and understanding it, but my individualization is super high. Yours is number eight. So we share some of those in that coaching component, but that's just me shooting from the hip because I know how I do it. Can you talk about your coaching practice? Like how do you do it? What strengths are you bringing? And maybe how you're dealing with some of the differences of the people that you coach.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (12:26.764)
Yeah, thanks. Thanks for asking. So, you know, I have strategic number nine and I think it definitely plays in, it probably combines with Maximizer for me is I'm looking at a person usually when someone starts a coaching engagement with me, most often it's career related, because I am a career coach. And so I integrate CliftonStrengths and ICF coaching. I'm a PCC certified ICF coach.
and career development, which I did at the university and then now I do privately. So I think I'm always looking for where does someone need to go? Like where are you now and where do you need to go? So I think I'm pretty strategic about that coaching. But I also am very encouraging, I think. I kind of put people at ease when they call me for a discovery call and I say, hey, look,
Nobody calls me on their best day. So what's going on with you? You know, I mean, if you get to the point where you're paying a stranger money to get out of your job, like things are not going well, right? So, you know, I want to make people at ease and just normalize that. I mean, the research shows that more than 50 % of people are, looking for work even, even before, you know, some of the current events that are happening and even more changes now. So I think I really like to,
Sarah Collins (13:26.413)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (13:33.228)
Yaaaassss
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (13:52.738)
build structure for people. And it's funny, because I'm low discipline, low consistency, but I know how much structure helps people. And so what I really like to do is take something huge and break it down into smaller pieces. So I'll often tell people, it's going to be like putting a puzzle together, but we're going to have to get all the puzzle pieces one by one by one. So what are your strengths?
What are your skills? What's your education? What are your values? What's working? What's not working? Are you using your strengths? Are you not using your strengths? And we're still on like, you know, day one or two, right? There's so much to know about that. And then what are your interests? Because you can use your strengths in multiple settings, different industries, different kinds of settings. So sometimes when people are desperate for change, they're looking at job boards and they're like,
Sarah Collins (14:29.027)
Right.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (14:46.338)
Do I want to be the head of marketing at this bank in Denver? And their answer might be no, but why no? Denver's not a good location for you or banking isn't your thing or head of marketing isn't your skillset or you're not sure you can get it. So my favorite thing to do is take really confusing, stressful things like job search or career change and try to make them simpler so that people can just do one piece at a time.
Sarah Collins (14:56.687)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (15:16.071)
my gosh, okay, you know I love everything you're saying and I'm gonna, my head is gonna fall off today because I'm such a bobblehead as coming from career coaching. And if people are wondering if Jennifer and I knew each other before we were both running our own businesses, the answer is yes. I will just put this story out there. When I worked for the University of Nebraska Lincoln, the College of Business, I applied for a job.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (15:28.558)
You
You gotta tell that story now, Sarah.
Sarah Collins (15:40.491)
at Fort Collins State where Jennifer was and she was one who picked me up from the airport because I had to fly out there for an in-person interview. And we just got along so great and I ended up not taking that job. And I was so sad because I didn't want to make Jennifer mad. Like I knew I was like confident, okay, this isn't the right fit or time for me to go. But I always was like, this woman was so amazing and I like her so much and I want to work with her.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (16:07.694)
You were so sad when you didn't take the dog.
Sarah Collins (16:09.325)
And the harmony, the harmony inside of me was like, is she gonna be mad at me? And I actually ran into her last year at Charlotte's event. And I was like, I don't know if you remember me, but this is what I remember. Also, are you mad at me that I didn't take that job?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (16:21.838)
Not mad, not mad, no. It actually worked out well. know, someone else came who was amazing. But one of the parts of the discussion I remember about that was that you and I have a lot of strengths in common. And so one of the discussion points about hiring you was like, she'll be able to do the same things that Jennifer does. And so we were like looking at workload and like, do we have enough of those kinds of things?
Bill Dippel (16:27.677)
you
Sarah Collins (16:37.923)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (16:49.422)
Right.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (16:49.966)
and presenting and things like that. So anyway, I'm glad that we reconnected and it's no surprise that we do similar work because we have very similar strengths.
Bill Dippel (16:53.789)
you
Sarah Collins (16:59.232)
Absolutely.
Bill Dippel (16:59.506)
I find it fascinating, Sarah, that we've invited on a guest that we both have to check in and maybe apologize to. What did we do back then? Oh, God, I'm sorry. So that makes the coaching community feel much smaller than it is. What are we at? 1800, somewhere in there, 1800 worldwide. Sorry, 18,000, right? 18,000 coaches.
Sarah Collins (17:09.855)
Right? We would like the world to now know.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (17:10.382)
No, no, No, no.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (17:23.118)
thousand. Thousand. Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (17:26.553)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (17:28.317)
yeah. Yeah. So, I love that. I love that story about, are you mad at me still? Sarah? That's so, it's very Sarah ask, Jennifer, I I would ask you about, know, you brought up your deliberative and consistency being low. So how do you organize and where you go there? And I bring this up frequently for groups that I'm coaching with. And that is I have nothing in my top 10 that is organizational. Right.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (17:34.478)
Not mad at you.
Sarah Collins (17:35.075)
I know my harmony.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (17:44.238)
You
Bill Dippel (17:57.392)
And I have so many that want to fall off of that. have Activator that wants to jump all over it. I have Woo and I want to, you know, have some harmony but connectedness. So don't worry about it. It'll get there. We'll figure it out. We'll make it happen. But I have found in my world that I put it all on a calendar. put it all I have for me. I don't do it naturally and reoccurringly, but I have to put it somewhere where I will see it because if I don't,
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (18:15.831)
Mm.
Sarah Collins (18:16.463)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (18:26.159)
it won't happen. So for me, I am more forced to do it. And even though it doesn't feel great to me to do it, I know I'm not missing anything. So then my responsibility and my restorative, right, and all of that, that ability to step in and know I'm in the harmony where I'm not letting people down, that all works for me. it, how would you say that's fair on your side? Does that feel, feel fair for what, how you, you do this?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (18:52.526)
I'm pretty tied to my calendar too, absolutely. I will say that one of the things that helps me a lot is for my, especially my career clients, I use a program called Coach Accountable. There's a lot of programs out there like that, that's just the one that I use. But it's a portal where I can keep notes, we can keep files, and I think communication number one and hire-y later, like it allows me to stay in touch with my clients.
And I mean, every time they post something like they post their old resume or they do a journal, it comes to my email. And I think that would probably drive some people crazy because it's really high volume communication. with communication, number one, connectedness, number two, maximizer, we relate it like being in touch, like how are my folks doing? What are they doing? And so even when I see them like checking items off and it comes in, you know, so and so did the worksheet. I'm like, good.
And so it actually is really helpful for me because I know, and then because I have high communication, also, I'll often jump in and go, Hey, the worksheet looks great. Keep up the good work. Let me know if you need anything. And that is just the way that I kind of manage and keep in touch with clients. So I'm very high touch and very relational. So I'll even warn people on a discovery call, like, this is who I am. This is how I work. If you just want to like mail stuff and get a resume in the mail, like I am not your person because I want it.
Sarah Collins (20:16.335)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (20:17.71)
know your hopes and dreams and help you maximize to get the perfect job. I mean, it's far down the line before we're working on a resume. I mean, I want to know who you are and where you are and what's broken and what we need to fix and what your goals are and your big dream that you think you can't get, but you probably could. Like, I want to know all of that before we start putting materials together. So I think using that portal is really key for me and then absolutely tied to my.
Sarah Collins (20:35.631)
Hello.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (20:44.098)
calendar, I just get up every morning and do exactly what it tells me. And if it wasn't there, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have a clue.
Bill Dippel (20:50.959)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (20:51.075)
Wow. You can just hear your communication, woo and positivity just shine through when you talk, right? The, the joyful energy and the way you talk about your clients and helping them. I can feel it. And I know as a career coach, as you said before, when clients are calling you, it is not their best day. And that work of job searching or career changing, it's a lot of emotional labor.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (21:16.823)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (21:17.433)
There's a lot to sift through. So I have to imagine your clients feel so lucky to have your sort of like positive energy, that bright shining sunshine to say, Hey, we can do this. Like, let's figure it out. I have a process here. is step-by-step and I'm going to be with you every step of the way, even when you do the small thing to have the recognition to say, yes, you did the worksheet. Love this. Can't wait to talk to you next week. I just have to think that that is so helpful for the clients that you have.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (21:47.18)
I hope so. absolutely hope so. I think you got to read the room though, because things are hard. And so, you I can't just gloss over that's the blind spot of positivity, right? It'll be great. It'll be fine. Don't worry. you know, when things in the world are changing quickly, you know, some people are excited about it and some people are really scared. And so just to be a coach is to hold the space for whatever someone is feeling without
Sarah Collins (21:59.918)
Right.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (22:13.976)
judging or assuming, you you just have to be really curious about how something is. Even as something as simple as somebody says, hey, I've decided I'm gonna leave my job and look for something that fits me better. Even if I responded like how exciting, that's to put a judgment on that. I don't know that that's exciting for them. A much better thing would be, you know, how are you feeling about that? And sometimes people go, it's really exciting. And sometimes people go, I'm really scared.
Sarah Collins (22:31.567)
Mm. Right.
Sarah Collins (22:39.555)
Right.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (22:43.872)
So that's part of what we have to do as coaches is hold that space. And I mean, I don't know if somebody is excited about something that's happening in the world or not. And sometimes change is really encouraging for someone. They have an opportunity for change. They get a severance and they've been meaning to change for a while. And sometimes it's just absolutely devastating. So I was a career coach in 2008, nine, 10 is when I got into the work at the university and the economy was
Sarah Collins (22:59.279)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (23:11.215)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (23:13.742)
down at that time, there was a lot of transition. I've been a career coach ever since working in university settings with both undergrad and graduate students I worked with and still work with MBAs in some settings. for lots and lots of years, we got through 2020, lots of change, now 2025, lots of change coming down the pipeline for a lot of folks. I just always say, you know, we're gonna...
Sarah Collins (23:32.024)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (23:41.4)
pay attention to what's happening and we're going to look for opportunities because there are always opportunities. But we got to hold that space.
Sarah Collins (23:44.302)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (23:48.175)
Tell me how do you manage the positivity to hold space, right? Because it could be easy to be the cheerleader always. So how have you learned to dial back that maybe what else do you lean on in those moments to not put your own judgment or thoughts on what people and clients are telling you?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (24:08.034)
Yeah, it's a good question. You know, I have high individualization. So just really understanding where someone's coming from. think, you know, I love that in teams. It's just like my big goal is, okay, do you see where this person is coming from? Okay, do you see where this person is coming from? And just really listening to see what's their perspective and to as much as possible, just call that out. You know, I hear this perspective.
Sarah Collins (24:16.751)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (24:33.41)
Is that serving you? Is it not serving you? It doesn't matter if it serves me and it doesn't matter if I agree with it. It's not my life or my decision. So I think coaching is a really unique, it's a really unique job in that our goal is to support someone else on their journey and it's not our journey.
Sarah Collins (24:51.599)
Right, yeah, yeah. You can hear that individualization in there. And I think strategic. It's very strategic thinking that you're coming at it with of knowing there could be a lot of different ways this person is feeling about this. And I'm gonna meet them where they're at with that individualization.
Bill Dippel (24:53.803)
So good.
Bill Dippel (25:07.377)
Yeah, yeah, completely. I'm curious on your end about your ideation, right? We're going to the bottom of your top 10 in that I work with ideation people quite a bit. It's 29 for me. So I love talking to high ideation people. I want to bounce it. We've had a couple of guests that worked together and contacted me separately and they were like, we ideate too much together as two people.
Sarah Collins (25:14.863)
Mmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (25:15.886)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (25:36.966)
We spin up and then we get off track and then we do other things and then the time goes by and then we didn't get anything done. The agenda is still there. We haven't touched because we talked about what can happen in two months, two years, five years, and we're so hyped. I spun off that, you know, his ideation, he spun off mine. Then we got lost. And some of the ideation people I deal with, you know, it's always great that popcorn brain always having that idea train.
How do you wrangle that? Would you say that that's how your ideation shows up, or is there some other component to it? How do you do it?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (26:14.562)
Yeah, it's a great question. In career coaching, I think I will often tell clients, I am never out of ideas. So I actually think, career coaching is very interesting. I'm ICF certified coach and coaching is mostly about staying in the questions and observing and it's very client led, but career coaching has an element of consulting to it. Where somebody says like,
Sarah Collins (26:38.351)
Absolutely.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (26:40.238)
Well, how do I put that in LinkedIn? You know, I'm not going to ask a coaching question like, well, how do you feel about putting it in LinkedIn? Maybe you can say like, well, what do you want to accomplish with LinkedIn? And I can make it, you know, more coaching, but sometimes I'm like, you need a three line headline and we need to put lines in between and you need to capture some keywords. You know, it is important for me to offer some consulting. So I think I definitely am aware that some people need an ideation partner.
Sarah Collins (26:44.577)
What do you think you would do?
Sarah Collins (26:55.971)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (27:08.28)
They've got a whole bunch of ideas and I can partner with them in that. But then I need to bring in my strategic and my maximizer to build some, that's how I build structure. It's not discipline for me, which is really low because the structure is not always the same, but it's like, look for the patterns with my strategic and then maximize what they are saying. So I think I can partner with someone who's high in ideation.
by saying, okay, we've got all these ideas out there now, what three categories or let's code them red, yellow, blue. What are the ones we wanna stop working on? What are the ones we're interested in yellow? But what are the ones we definitely wanna investigate green? So I'll kind of have to step back and put strategy on it. But then some people that are low in ideation are often the people that really feel stuck. I see one option and that one option is not working out.
And so, you know, I'll ask permission, but hey, can imagine like eight different ways this could go. Are you open to some suggestions? And so I'll think of things that people won't think of, like getting to a professional conference or reading a book on an industry or listening to a podcast on a field that they're curious about or some websites that I might know that have ideas or even I've been playing with chat GPT and career questions and, know,
Sarah Collins (28:02.627)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (28:31.948)
When you're stuck, like, how do you do that? So I've even gotten online with people and go, let me do it with you. How do we ask a good question? How do we ask a better question? How do we ask a more nuanced question just to get people unstuck? And so I can partner my ideation with people who don't have that high. And then they can run with it. And I will in my program, I'll put in action items will agree to, which things are you going to research? What are you not going to research?
What's the next step? What's for later? And so it only works if we also have some structure to it. Otherwise we can run away on ideas all day and people are like, okay, I have ideas, but I still don't know what to do tomorrow. So I have to make sure I bring it back to, and what's your next step?
Sarah Collins (29:07.801)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (29:14.575)
Bye.
Bill Dippel (29:17.829)
Yeah, super effective way to talk about it. Thank you very much, Jennifer, because as you were saying it, I was sitting there thinking I get hooked and I get stuck on one way, right? I want to, I see it. That's the way I'm going to go. And suddenly when that is not the way for me anymore, I don't, I panic or I, or I don't see the other ways to do it. I'm going to bang my head against that one way to do it, but I'm also a high activator. So if I surround myself with an ideation person,
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (29:36.255)
you
Sarah Collins (29:37.391)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (29:47.068)
Right. I don't see it. I get the ideas from someone and then the idea person helps me form and go, well, this is maybe what we, where we should go. I'm an activator. I'm like, Hey, that's a great, that's what I'm going to do. Right. Yeah. That's how I'll step into that.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (29:58.382)
That's what I'm going to do. Yeah. I think it's really important to be aware of the strengths of the person that I'm coaching. every single person that I work with takes CliftonStrengths. If they're like, you know, I don't want to do that. Like you should call a different coach because this is what I do. And I talk about it a lot and it's on my website and I'm on podcasts and I write on LinkedIn. So pretty much anyone who calls me knows, you know, in fact, people on Discovery Calls will be like,
Sarah Collins (29:59.459)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (30:06.596)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (30:15.471)
Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (30:26.924)
I wanted to meet you and I brought my top five. So, you know, they know we're going to talk about it. I think what, matters about that is the way someone will move forward in transition also depends on their strengths. So I'll, I'll give an example of my, daughter, who's an engineering student has high focus. That's not very high for me, but one of the things that she has strategic too. So she can see multiple options, but then she goes to focus and she's got achiever.
Sarah Collins (30:29.135)
Meow.
Sarah Collins (30:40.974)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (30:56.558)
achievers, my 34, focus is also pretty low. So the thing that I've learned with her is we can connect on strategic. Hey, let's look at some plans, let's look at some options. But while I would then ideate for another hour, she's like, all right, mom, what are we gonna do? Let's make a decision and let's move forward. So actually traveling with her is really fun because we'll strategize and then she will like make it happen and look at and stay focused where I'm like.
Sarah Collins (31:20.345)
Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (31:23.288)
but there might be 14 ways to maximize it and lots of different strategies. She'll pull me down. So I think if I'm coaching her on something or working with her on something, I have to know that she's gonna leverage focus and that helps me. But for me to help her, I need to go with it.
Sarah Collins (31:40.973)
Yeah, powerful partnership. I love hearing how you use it personally with your daughter and also professionally with your clients. I also keep hearing this connectedness. I think this connectedness and this ideation as a career coach has to be a superpower that you get a pull on because as I'm sure you agree with when I'm career coaching someone, I'm like, we have to explore self and then we'll explore options. And most people in this world
Bill Dippel (31:40.98)
Perfect.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (32:05.4)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (32:09.827)
Don't know or forget about or don't think it's important to know yourself. They just want to go to the options. Is that what you see as well?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (32:15.416)
Yes. Yeah. And I got excited when you said that because I was thinking about a client that I worked with recently who was going for a job that was pretty data driven and pretty technology driven and had interviewed multiple times for different roles and just wasn't landing it. And when I, when I met the person, high, high, high relationship building, in fact, five out of five top five strengths in relationship building.
And I looked at the resume and said, where are you talking about your collaboration? Where are you talking about mentoring, supervising? And the answer really was, I mean, those aren't really the sellable qualities, right? And so I'm imagining this person who's high, high relationship in interviews trying to talk about how data-driven they are and how technically sound they are, which is absolutely true. This person absolutely is.
But actually the selling point was the way they worked with humans and the way they brought people together. And so in our work together, actually the person said to me, don't think there are jobs just in relationship building. And I kind of laughed because like my entire job is talking to people about their dreams and goals and hopes and helping them happen. That's my whole job. It's my whole job. My whole job. And I've been doing this work for, you know, big number of years, 25, 30 years now.
Bill Dippel (33:17.917)
you
Sarah Collins (33:38.201)
Right.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (33:43.722)
And it's all relationship. So yes, there are jobs like that. So as we kind of reconstructed stories to share in interviews, I said, how do you connect with people? How do you develop people? How do you maximize people? How do you individualize your talking with them? So we ask on resumes and interviews, what did you achieve? Well, achievers my 34. It's just, mean, I have two college degrees. I'm a functional human. It's fine, right? But
Achieving things, checking things off is not my motivation. So instead of asking me, what did I achieve? Why don't you ask me, how did you connect? How did you communicate? How did you relate? So that's what I got this person doing. And the next interview went great.
Sarah Collins (34:21.773)
impact.
Sarah Collins (34:25.965)
Yes. I love you pointing that out, Jennifer. It reminds me of the story when I was at the College of Business. We had this thing called Take a Parent to Lunch when the incoming freshmen would come to campus and they would come with their parents. And so they would split off the students and the parents. And so I always volunteered for this because I'm a connector. know, this is the thing I'm going to put my hand up for. So I go get my free lunch with the parents. And I remember sitting down with these parents and they were saying, you know, our son
wants to be an actuarial science major, which is very data technical job. And they're like, but we just think that's the wrong field. He's really good at it, but he's so personable and he's so good with people. And I'm like, y'all, if he wants to and has the ability to be an actuary, actuary, and he's good with people, he's going to be the boss of everybody. Like that's the thing is if you have a skillset,
Bill Dippel (34:54.654)
you
Bill Dippel (35:16.509)
you
Sarah Collins (35:23.117)
but you can also do people. Like this is magical because every job requires people. And that's like, that's sort of a unicorn, right? Like, yeah, we can find our engineers and our actuaries and they're great. We need them. And they have a very strong, academic and technical data-driven lens. Listen, I can't even talk about it in the right way because I'm so far not that person, but you get what I'm saying. but if they can also do the people part.
Bill Dippel (35:49.414)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (35:52.675)
Wow, the success is literally limitless because we have to have people who can do both and they usually rise to the top.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (35:53.464)
Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (36:00.93)
Yeah, I think that's a common challenge with career because we look at someone's strengths and then we assume, right? My daughter, the engineering student, leads with influencing. That is not typical for aerospace engineers, but because she leads with influencing, she's, you know, officer in a couple of clubs, she's going to be mad at me and she hears this and it's like.
Sarah Collins (36:07.726)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (36:14.681)
Bye.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (36:21.198)
talking about me on the podcast, but I'm so proud of her. But she naturally leads projects and she will always do that. And she interviews really well and she's got a great internship already as a sophomore because she interviews well. you your strengths talk about the way you will do work and they'll talk about what you'll enjoy in work. So she loves leading the projects, but it doesn't it doesn't limit you. Sometimes people think, you have to be
Sarah Collins (36:25.967)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (36:47.907)
high analytical to be an engineer and that's just not necessarily true.
Bill Dippel (36:51.814)
Yeah, and I would say too, that leads right back to the previous discussion we had. I create lists because it isn't my strength. I need to step into that. And what resonated with me, Jennifer, was you were talking about, I have six of the nine relationship themes in my top 10. So I tend to be a relationship person more than just about any other technical. I have Activator 2, which tends to jump right into things, but
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (36:59.502)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (37:19.555)
I tend to build the relationship side. And I've mentioned this before that I had a 30-year career at the state in IT, which you would think not a big relationship stronghold. But the reason I survived in it and did reasonably well as a manager wasn't because of the technical abilities. It was because of the relationship side that I brought to it.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (37:41.742)
Mm-hmm. Right.
Sarah Collins (37:44.643)
And I love pointing out your strengths are sort of that motivation and where you enjoy. But this is why as career coaches, and you said this at the top, we also ask, what are your skills? What are your interests? What are your values? Because it takes more than just strengths to understand where you should go as a career. And again, I'm getting on my career soapbox here. So welcome to the show everyone. When I talk about the career development process, again, it starts with that exploring self.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (37:56.078)
Thank you.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (38:05.838)
Truly. Yes.
Bill Dippel (38:07.495)
She's doing it. She's going. Let her go.
Sarah Collins (38:13.423)
It goes to exploring careers, right? Then it's like developing your materials and then it's doing the job. But this is cyclical. This is not linear. If you're watching on YouTube, you saw me make a circle here. I did not go from point A to point B because you can be performing the job and things change, right? If you're 24 single working a job, that's great. But then all of a sudden you're 30.
and you're married and you've got three kids and your values might change. Your interests might change. So therefore that job you're performing might not hit the way it used to. So you have to go back to exploring self. So even though we say you're born with innate strengths, right? The strengths assessment says these are the strengths that you were born with. And for the most part, they stay the same, but your interests, your skills and your values, they change and evolve, which is why we as career coaches hit people.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (38:49.026)
Yes.
Sarah Collins (39:05.231)
At any stage, you could be 19, you could be 65, and you can still be on that journey.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (39:06.392)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (39:11.426)
Yeah, absolutely. I know people ask me, you who do you typically work with? And I work with a person who wants to use their strengths in their career. It's more defined by that than it is by a demographic because I worked with young students for a lot of years. I worked with MBAs for a lot of years. I've worked with people in the midst of divorce or widowhood or empty nesting, you know, transition. You know, you can change jobs under any circumstance. And sometimes it's world events or,
Sarah Collins (39:20.857)
Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (39:40.962)
you know, layoffs that you didn't choose things, you know, I always put up with people kind of a step by step overview. And the first thing I say is number one, decide that you need a change or accept that you need a change. Because I think a lot of times when people first will come to me, they'll say, well, I got laid off and it wasn't fair. And this thing happened and I'm really upset about it.
Like there's no way we are going into strengths or options or resumes or anything like that. If they're still dealing with, I haven't really accepted that this has to change. I mean, I always relate to that because I think I fought my own career change for a lot of years. So I totally relate to that.
Sarah Collins (40:24.899)
And I think that's like our strengths can impact how we deal with that. Right. Cause I even think, you know, as I have friends who go through these career changes and, but really they haven't changed careers. They just go through it in their head, but they're more deliberative and strategic. So they will go through it for years. Right. And as a friend, I walk with them through it and it will be, okay, I think I'm to make it change. No, I'm better. No, I think I am. You're right. And it takes a long time. Whereas
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (40:43.544)
you
Sarah Collins (40:54.703)
Personally and other folks I know who are more activator based like if I decide I'm making a change like I'm making a change or I'm at least doing something To see if the change is gonna happen. I'm gonna have the conversation. I'm gonna submit the application I'm going but that's just how my strengths are different. I don't deliberative is my 34 So I'm not sitting here flip-flopping on what I'm gonna do But I understand that others will because they're just gonna approach that in a different way
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (41:23.022)
for sure. And so if we're, if we're coaching someone who has high deliberative, then we have to understand what the needs of that are because they're anticipating risk. And so I'll just say, let's just get it out on the table. What are all the risks? What are all the questions? What are all the worries? And then let's figure out where can we go for answers. So just again, I always think like, take it apart and put it back together. It's like, you you have this Lego creation.
Bill Dippel (41:23.237)
Yeah, so good. So good.
Sarah Collins (41:42.329)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (41:46.467)
Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (41:48.834)
and we take all the pieces apart and then we can actually build something new with the same Legos, but we might leave some out, you know, or we might go buy a couple new ones, you know?
Sarah Collins (41:53.143)
Yeah. And we're good.
And we're gonna say, and we're gonna have it done by Monday. We're gonna take it all apart, we're gonna put it all together, and we're gonna put a deadline on it. So you know we're working towards something here, my friend.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (42:01.846)
Right. Right.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (42:07.597)
Yes.
Exactly.
Bill Dippel (42:10.503)
You just spoke to Jennifer's Maximizer in such a big way. it's going off, right? Yeah. I work with a couple or at least I follow a couple of other coaches that are big in more of the personal but also business world. They're less strengths based actually. Although quite often funny, I listen to them and they're quoting Gallup information, but I do still listen and follow and some of it I really appreciate.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (42:13.624)
Totally. I'm like, yeah, you got it.
Bill Dippel (42:37.432)
And it resonates with me the change component that you're bringing up is so common from a coaching point of view. We all need to look at, we all need to think about changing at least some aspect, right? If we aren't in a change mode, we can take information, but then it just bounces off of us or sits on our vest. Are you guys, both of you aware of Mel Robbins now? She's having a moment. Yeah. And Mel's great.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (42:52.078)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (42:56.62)
you
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (43:01.145)
yeah, love her.
Sarah Collins (43:01.641)
yeah. I've been on Mel Robbins before y'all were on Mel Robbins.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (43:06.444)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (43:06.601)
Great. but Mel's big revelation is all around, you know, let them, which is, you know, let them be mad or let them understand or feel the way they do. Just let it happen. But if you dive into Mel's bigger components of that, what's really the nirvana for her is the let me. And that's the change part, right? That's where the change issue is. So how can I be better in that situation? What would I do?
Sarah Collins (43:12.749)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (43:26.414)
Right.
Bill Dippel (43:35.91)
What would I have changed to make this be better in the end? So, you know, I hear that common thread between you, the coaches that I follow, but also how often we're coaching. And I know I know you do this, Sarah, too. How often we're asking our clients to evaluate and make a change, at least step up to the change plate so that you can absorb and take on.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (44:01.176)
There's a couple of things that are coming up for me that I often share with clients. One is, you know, I think I grew up with the serenity prayer on my wall from my parents, and it was, grant me the serenity to accept the things I can't change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. And I think I really think about those and talk about those principles with clients a lot. What are the things that you can change and what are the things that you can't change?
Sarah Collins (44:09.005)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (44:29.166)
And I think there's another concept that plays into that that helps. There's a book I really like called Designing Your Life. And there's a concept in there called The Gravity Problem. And it doesn't matter if I don't like gravity. I am sitting in a chair. And if I stand up and sit down, like gravity is gonna pull me down and I can jump, but gravity is gonna bring me down. And I think sometimes we're fighting gravity problems longer than we need to.
Sarah Collins (44:29.187)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (44:46.339)
Right.
Sarah Collins (44:56.515)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (44:57.262)
For me, was working in higher ed, love higher ed, still love higher ed, still consult to higher ed, always will love it. So believe in education is one of my core values. Education changes lives. I'll say it to the end of my days. But as a career coach in higher education and an advisor before that, doing that kind of frontline work for 25 years, you don't have high salaries, right?
to get a higher salary in higher education, you have to become the director, you have to become the vice chancellor. And I was faculty and staff and I taught and I coordinated lots of things. So I got a lot of leadership experience, but I was always frontline. I think I turned down opportunities to apply for management four or five times. And they kept asking me, you want to apply? I said, no, because I don't want to spend my day in strategic planning meetings. I want to be frontline with the people. Now.
Bill Dippel (45:25.149)
you
Sarah Collins (45:46.361)
Right.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (45:49.656)
Could I have used my relationship building as a director? Absolutely. But I wanted to be frontline. And that's just a concept of career I'll ask people too. Like, do you want to be at the policy table or do you want to be frontline with the people? So for me in higher ed, being frontline kept me in a student services role that was a middle salary that just was never really going to change much. And it took me years.
Sarah Collins (46:00.665)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (46:15.552)
of questioning that and wishing and hoping that maybe it could change. And that I finally came to accept that as a gravity problem. But when I realized that I could just do the same work that I loved and do it either privately or and in organizations and getting ICF certified as a coach allowed me to do executive coaching, allowed me to
Sarah Collins (46:23.182)
Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (46:38.698)
operate in some different places. I could work with teams and organizations and still do one-on-one career coaching. I do the same work today, but it's in a different setting. And so the pay structure of that is different as a coach consultant. So that was the gravity problem I had to accept before I was willing to make a change. And I cried and cried and cried, leaving higher ed. As a relator, I just wanted to be with my friends and I loved the connectedness of it. I loved everything about it, except I have two kids in college.
Sarah Collins (46:55.343)
Mmm.
Sarah Collins (47:08.537)
Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (47:08.654)
I was a single parent for 10 years. I was not gonna fund my kid's college on a higher ed salary. The irony is not lost on me, but it was a gravity.
Sarah Collins (47:16.727)
right? Jennifer, I love that you're saying this because what I hear there too is the value discrepancy, right? You got to a point where you had to value money more, right? For a long time, we can do what we love and say, it's fine. I don't have to make the more money, right? I don't want to do the job that makes me make more money because it's not going to be doing the job because you're in tune with your skillset and your strengths. But then that money thing, you're like, really need more money. And right here I'm capped out. So then it's like,
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (47:29.464)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (47:46.361)
forces that change and I just think it's such a powerful story and testament because we see people all the time who Do the opposite of what you do in fact, right? They get offered the higher role and they just think ooh more money more power Yes, and then they get in and what happens they're miserable or it's not actually in a line with their their strengths or their skills And so then they feel like they're failing
right? Because they were a good individual contributor maybe and they couldn't do the management as effectively or whatever that higher level is. And I think we need, I would love if organizations were structured different, first of all, so we could pay people more money for doing jobs that they're great at, whether or not that meant that they were higher in the hierarchy and or just teach people that it's not always about
more money, more power, because what are you sacrificing to get there sometimes?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (48:47.342)
Yeah, we have to get clear on what the challenge is that you're solving. And I talk to people a lot about pivots in their career. Are you doing a pivot or are you doing a jump? Because if you're trying to imagine William Bridges old books like written in the 70s has this theory of
Sarah Collins (48:56.429)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (49:09.118)
of change and he describes like being on one side of a shore and there's a rushing river in the middle and you're trying to see the other shore. If the river is really big, you might not see the other shore. But if you're trying to get to a whole new place, then you start building a bridge without checking it out first. You don't even know if you're building a bridge to the right place. So I think if you're gonna do a big jump, like across a river kind of.
big jump, you need to build a bridge step by step, but you have to know it's where you want to go. The other thing you can possibly do is just do a pivot. And so a pivot like that was what I did. I do the same work. I just do it in a different setting. But, but if I stayed in the same setting, I could do a different role in the same setting. And that also would have accomplished the goal of higher salary. So it really depends. Even if my kids had gone to the university I worked for.
Sarah Collins (49:43.567)
you
Sarah Collins (49:48.815)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (49:55.129)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (50:04.93)
that would have also accomplished the goal. It's just that university didn't actually have the major my son was even interested in. so interesting dilemma, right? There's multiple ways my strategic can see multiple ways to the goal of like getting kids through college. But obviously, you know, you've got to get clear on that before you make choices.
Sarah Collins (50:06.82)
Right.
Sarah Collins (50:17.261)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (50:24.859)
Yeah, yeah, very, very much so. Wow. It's like a masterclass today, Jennifer, thank you for that. So, you know, Sarah, you asked the question around, hey, if we're not living in the right strengths, how might we do with some other stuff? I would say how often do we possibly get in our own way? Right? How does our strength become a dumpster fire? And we asked that question here, Jennifer and
For our regular listeners, our arsonists, we like to cover it because we all suffer from it. So how might somebody as knowledgeable as you, and it's so good at understanding what the top strengths are, how might your strengths become a dumpster fire for you sometimes?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (51:09.038)
I think that woo-relator combination is just challenging. I want to meet everybody and I'll be the, back in university days, I'd be like the first one at the career fair, the last to leave. And I wanted to greet everybody and welcome everybody and positivity woo. But then I wanted to stay in touch with everyone. And so luckily-
Sarah Collins (51:30.415)
you
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (51:32.394)
I think LinkedIn is really magical because it's like all the people I've met over the years are somehow in my network in LinkedIn and it's not even all and that makes me sad. If someone didn't connect with me on LinkedIn, I might lose them forever.
Bill Dippel (51:45.352)
Wait, are we? Yeah, I was gonna ask, are we are we in LinkedIn together, Jennifer, I got to check now. I am double checking because now I'm now I'm now I'm questioning after we met the first time I messed up. So all right.
Sarah Collins (51:45.411)
This is your sign to go connect with Jennifer on LinkedIn right now.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (51:51.182)
I will definitely double check.
Sarah Collins (51:52.943)
You
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (51:57.74)
Yeah. But I think it's a pull, know, Wu wants to meet everyone and Relator wants to stay in touch. early on in my journey of becoming self-employed, another coach told me as a Relator, you need to keep your circle small. As Wu, you want to be at everything.
but as a relator, need to keep your circle small. And so I think that's always, I don't know if I would call it a dumpster fire, but like I found myself last year in six online groups because, you know, woo relator, positivity connectedness. I work at home alone in my office on Zoom, right? So I'm in like book group and the connect to the other coaches group and the tools for coaches and the, I'm part of a waking coach Institute group. And I want to be in.
Sarah Collins (52:32.847)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (52:35.271)
Right.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (52:45.984)
You know, all discussion groups and I want to go to Gallup things. And I was finding myself just pulled in too many directions because I wanted to be part of everything. So I have to remember, like, I always need to make sure I have a main coach that I go back to. And I have my trusted connections and my, my four people on Voxer that I trade, you know, messages with. So it's an interesting poll.
Sarah Collins (52:51.823)
Hmm.
Sarah Collins (53:10.766)
Yes!
Bill Dippel (53:11.459)
It really is. And I just I just messaged you on LinkedIn said we are. Yes. Sorry. I I cheated. I jumped right in. I was like, I got to know because I thought it'd be even funnier to go. Hey, you now have an invite you haven't responded to. But that's not true. We already are. And I just said we are L.O.L.L.L. So.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (53:17.261)
perfect.
Sarah Collins (53:18.523)
we are quite the multitasker. You did.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (53:21.496)
Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (53:27.118)
You
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (53:31.715)
Yes.
Sarah Collins (53:32.832)
Well, and I love how you point out the woo relator as the dumpster fire. Our friend over here, Mr. Bill Dipple, you have that combo as well.
Bill Dippel (53:38.546)
Hmm. yes. yes. I've said this before and it, it generally is very true. My woo in particular, we know it stands for winning others over. for me, it most often means wife objects often because I'm talking and building relationships and doing things and she's high strategic. So she's trying to go and get things and, you know,
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (53:41.294)
Does it get you in trouble, Bill? Do you find that you have that same pole?
Bill Dippel (54:05.789)
So that absolutely happens. And then the Relator side came up recently as well in another podcast we did where I tend to build a deep relationship, but I want to fight, particularly when I was younger, to hold onto it. And I'll fight with Woo and I'll fight with Relator to build that and keep structuring it, making sure we're doing that. And so often I thought, you know, we should be doing things this way. And I'm trying to build that Relator Woo component when in reality,
I shouldn't, I should let them, right? I should be a little more Mel Robbins than that. And that was tough. It definitely got my way more early on before I was very strengths aware. And to tell you it's gone away would be disingenuine. I definitely still feel at times that I need to check it, right? I'm a human being. I still have those moments where my woo is getting in my way and I'm, you know,
Sarah Collins (54:38.574)
Hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (54:49.614)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (54:53.871)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (54:56.078)
Sure.
Sarah Collins (54:58.095)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (55:04.797)
I literally have a UPS delivery guy who will wave at me every day he drives by because when he makes a delivery here, I invite him in the house to grab a fizzy water, right? And by the way, I don't I don't even know if he probably likes fizzy water, but and he's probably got more to do than come into my house to get a fizzy water. But, you know, I like I don't. Hey, I want to do it up with the UPS guy. Yeah, so I. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (55:25.837)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (55:27.594)
Yep. I feel you. I feel you, Bill. I feel it.
Bill Dippel (55:32.029)
It absolutely, you know, when you mentioned those two and jumping in, thank you for pointing that out, sir. It's very, it is very relevant for me because they, they, I step on other people and myself in a way that you don't think a woo relator would. And it pops up.
Sarah Collins (55:47.567)
Well, I'll tell you what, as someone who has woo and not relator, I kind of have strengths envy of the two of you because obviously I'm a human in the world, so I want to have deep relationships like, know, but my woo, I collect friends easily and I have so many friends. You know, I consider everyone my friend. I can meet you one time and the next time I see you, I give you a hug. It actually has happened before. While being a coffee shop, having coffee with someone, someone will come in, they'll say, Sarah, I'll say, oh my God, hi, we'll hug and we'll talk about something.
They walk away, I sit down and the person will say, who was that? And I'll be like, I have no idea.
Bill Dippel (56:19.793)
Nothing. That's less.
Sarah Collins (56:21.743)
be like, well, I know, like, my husband works with this person, you know, I have like the chain of command of how I've met them, I remember things about them, but like, I can't remember their name. I don't know.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (56:28.782)
you
Bill Dippel (56:31.633)
Yeah, I learned years ago, I have to ask if they're there. I'll just be like, I am so sorry. Please don't take offense to this. How do we know each other? I'll do it. Because then it drives me nuts all day.
Sarah Collins (56:35.489)
yes, I have.
Sarah Collins (56:40.835)
You're better human than me.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (56:44.974)
Where you say, I say, remind me, remind me your name, remind me, you know, I remember that we met at the university, remind me what that was, you know, that kind of works for me because I worked at universities, like big universities. I taught the freshmen seminar for four years. I had 500 students a semester.
Sarah Collins (56:51.79)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (56:54.375)
That's good. Yeah.
Sarah Collins (56:58.435)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (57:06.941)
Ciao.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (57:07.446)
plus my graduate students, 200 students every year, plus the one-on-one coaching, like 300 students a year. So just at the university, how many people is that? People are like, how'd you get such a big LinkedIn network? I'm like, well, when you work with that many people, it's, you know, that happens.
Sarah Collins (57:15.961)
Right.
Bill Dippel (57:21.597)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (57:23.479)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, but it can be hard for me to hold on to like friendships that I want to keep. I have to be so intentional to not let those people go because it's so easy. This sounds terrible, but to like replace people like if you're in front of me, I'm I'm I'm 100 % when you're in front of me. I'm with you, but I know that all the people who are not in front of me probably feel like I'm giving them the cold shoulder because I'm only with who I'm in front of and so for the
Bill Dippel (57:32.541)
Yeah. Yeah.
Bill Dippel (57:50.782)
And I would say that is that Relator component that you're, you know, that is, we compared it early on Woo, but from a Relator side, you know, my friends in Los Angeles, my friends here in Reno, they are like my core, you know, they, and I probably have 20 other people that think they're in the core, but they aren't, you know, they, they, they're pretty sure that they're right there. They're not even close, but I have that, but I might start letting those in.
Sarah Collins (57:55.735)
Yeah, exactly.
Sarah Collins (58:06.488)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (58:20.591)
It just takes time and I want to build that and that's and Jennifer, do you feel the same way from a related point on your end?
Sarah Collins (58:21.069)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (58:28.728)
Yeah, for sure. And I think it's a lot about trust. Like it took me a really long time to choose a financial planner, for example. Like that is a really trusted connection. And I did not get the advice I needed early because the people I tried, know, insurance agent or whatever different ones, I have a good insurance agent now. So if she hears this, don't worry. I'm not talking about you, but old, old, right. But like it matters to have trust. Now I, I,
Sarah Collins (58:31.48)
Mmm.
Sarah Collins (58:41.071)
Bye.
Sarah Collins (58:55.885)
Hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (58:58.412)
like here's all my money, please don't screw it up. I mean, that takes a lot of trust. And you know, it's so funny because when I first started talking to my current financial planner, I was like, I just have questions. And he was like, don't worry, I'm happy to answer your questions. And I tell him, like, I think I was the longest sales cycle. Like, I think he was answering random questions for me for five years before he became my financial planner. And also he was my former MBA student. And I know his wife.
Sarah Collins (59:04.419)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (59:27.362)
you better be like in good, right? Because that is a very trusted. So something like that takes me a really, really long time to build that level of trust. And yet my woo can make connections with people really easily. And of course, when people are hiring me, you know, I'm asking them to trust me. So I just don't take it lightly if someone does invest in that kind of relationship. like, I get it because it takes me a long time to trust them.
Sarah Collins (59:28.579)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (59:37.671)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (59:41.105)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (59:41.208)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (59:46.927)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (59:47.101)
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (59:52.976)
Absolutely. Well, and I'll also tell you that from a related point of view, sometimes when I meet someone that I think, that's it, we're going to be, we're going to be great friends. I'm too hard, too fast. Right. I, I will, I've literally had somebody, I, I meet with a group of guys regularly and we are very honest about our lives. And one of them I had said, well, I was
Sarah Collins (59:53.005)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (01:00:19.407)
a little surprised you and I didn't go do more things together when we started. And he went, well, you came on way too hard. You, you know, you gave me this thing and you, you loaned me this and you were calling to go do a couple. And he's absolutely right. You know, I, I felt that relator bond so fast because I thought, man, we really, we really connect. And so I, like you said, sometimes relator takes that long arc.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:00:25.144)
Mm.
Sarah Collins (01:00:25.519)
Mmm.
Sarah Collins (01:00:35.94)
Mmm.
Bill Dippel (01:00:48.421)
Sometimes if you think it should be all there, it's too short of an arc. It's painfully short.
Sarah Collins (01:00:53.506)
Hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:00:55.054)
And that's probably the woo like transitioning into like related right away. You know, I just think the power is in the knowing this about ourselves. Like how amazing is it to know that about the people that you live with? I gave the strengths assessment to my teenagers during COVID. I was like, I just have, you know, we're in the house together 24 seven. I just need to understand y'all just a little bit better. And
Bill Dippel (01:00:57.049)
It is. It is. Totally.
Sarah Collins (01:00:57.742)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (01:01:05.732)
Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:01:21.71)
It has been so powerful. mean, my son leads with adaptability and I'm high strategic and he's low strategic. So I'm like, what's your plan? What's your plan? What's your plan? He's like, I don't know. I'm going to see how it goes. He's currently studying Europe and he accidentally chose the year long program because he checked the wrong box and he just decided to go with it.
Sarah Collins (01:01:42.285)
I love that.
Bill Dippel (01:01:42.777)
my god.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:01:43.074)
So I love that. And so he's traveling the world and it's a beautiful thing. And I'm like, what are you going to do this weekend? He's like, I don't know. I'm going to check flights and see what's cheap. I mean, it's just, it's amazing. And I would never, ever, ever live that way. And I so admire him about him and my partner's high consistency and you know, I'm high ideation and maximizer. So I want to make things, you know, new, new things, new ideas all the time. And he's like, actually, I really like it when things kind of stay the same, but how valuable to know. Right.
Sarah Collins (01:01:51.811)
Yeah. Right.
Bill Dippel (01:02:07.101)
you
Sarah Collins (01:02:10.093)
Yeah. And then I think I always tell people it brings us deeper empathy, whether you have empathy or not, just empathy in the world, because then you understand where someone's coming from. You don't have to take it personally. Like, well, why don't you want to do it my way? Or do you think my way is a bad way? Or why would you why would you just do that? It's like, I understand that this is how you were made.
Bill Dippel (01:02:13.647)
Absolutely.
Sarah Collins (01:02:33.955)
you were given this sort of God given talent to be this way. And I'm going to see that as a good thing, even if it's not what I would do, because this is, this is what makes you great. And so
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:02:44.622)
Well, that's the magic of it. know, I have one of my business partners, my operations manager, who her strengths are totally different than mine. And we have to talk about that. I literally got our bring need reports out because if we don't, the only thing we have in common is connectedness. And if we don't stay connected, we will fall apart because she's everything I'm not and I need her so desperately, but
Sarah Collins (01:03:04.399)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (01:03:08.771)
Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:03:12.994)
But if we don't stay in communication, we miss each other. I send her things that she doesn't need. I miss things that I should tell her. She thinks I'm not giving enough information. She's high input, right? So it's even, and she gave me, she's like, it's okay, you can talk about that. Because I'm like, I'm talking about someone and I'm always careful about that. But she's like, no, tell our story because it's the work we do, right? And so when we realized, we're not communicating as well as we could, we.
Sarah Collins (01:03:17.263)
Hmm.
Sarah Collins (01:03:34.414)
Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:03:39.096)
pulled out our Bring Need reports, we looked at our top 10 strengths and said, connectedness, that's what we have, that is what we share. And so now we make sure that we absolutely meet regularly. And if we're not gonna meet, we give each other messages and we text each other, we stay connected. That's our secret and it's all we've got, because nothing else is the same. But when you know that about yourself, then you can actually thrive.
Sarah Collins (01:03:41.326)
Hmm.
Sarah Collins (01:03:57.838)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (01:04:03.981)
Yeah, that's where the aiming the strengths comes in, right? Name, claim aim and then we're aiming them.
Bill Dippel (01:04:04.709)
Yeah. Yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:04:10.222)
I have one more story about that if you would indulge me. learned I was working with a marketing consultant who was very, very structured. And I said, you know, told you I have low discipline, low consistency, low achiever. She's very, very structured. And it's so amazing the way she runs her business. It's very, very effective and she's super talented. But she said, you know, when you have a request, you need to put it in the system. So you log in and you do the these are the specific requests.
Sarah Collins (01:04:12.738)
Of course.
Sarah Collins (01:04:24.387)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:04:40.046)
Well, I don't really operate that way because I'm like, I have this idea. I have this thought. I have this like I kind of wanted to feel like purple. You know, I don't know, put it on line three, do this thing. Right. And so it was really interesting. And she was giving me action items because she said in order to do your website, I need I need you to do these things. So we were kind of missing each other. She wanted me to be more structured. And then she kept sending me tasks. But she would say, log into my system and I've left 14 tasks for you.
Sarah Collins (01:04:43.897)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Bill Dippel (01:04:47.709)
Ha ha!
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:05:10.316)
You know what? is never a priority for me. It is just never gonna be a priority. And I was not doing what she needed me to do. She goes, you know, I'm trying to help you, right? Yeah, I know, I know. And you're awesome. But so I said, could you try this thing? I'm high communication, high relationship. Can you just email me one question? Because I'm so good at responding fast on email. Like just email me one. And she's like, I want to know what color you want on this banner on page three. And I said green. She was like,
Sarah Collins (01:05:13.583)
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:05:40.11)
Okay, that was point number one. So she sent me number two and she goes, want to know which wording do you like this wording or this wording? Which wording do you prefer? And I answered her in two minutes. And she was like, wait, why did that work? I said, we turned Achiever into communication. I have communication number one, I have Achiever number 34. So thank you for turning it into communication. That actually works for me.
Sarah Collins (01:05:55.758)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Dippel (01:06:04.165)
Wow. Great, great story. That's really a good, that's a really good example from all the coaches listening on how to, how to think about we, we're not going to delve into the bottom. We're going to only use the ones that hit us at the natural and reoccurring level. And let's step into it. That's a, that's a great example when I have not heard before. So well, let me too. So let's, let's go to a fun question. You ready? All right.
Sarah Collins (01:06:08.509)
Ugh.
Sarah Collins (01:06:24.109)
I love it. I love it. And I resonate with it just off my eye.
Bill Dippel (01:06:32.687)
You have just won the lottery, Jennifer, but you can only spend the money using your top 10 strengths. What's your first move? Where do you start?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:06:35.595)
good.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:06:42.604)
Well, right, communication. So I'm telling everybody and this is going to be bad because then people are going to be like, you have money. Can I have some? know, I'm going to get I'm going to be in trouble right off the bat. If I win the lottery, there's no chance I'm staying silent about that. I'm going to be so excited. So that's going to get me in trouble. My connectedness, I think I will probably think like, who else needs it? Where do we need to share it? But then my mind goes to travel.
Sarah Collins (01:06:48.911)
money honey
Bill Dippel (01:06:49.821)
Money, money, money, money!
Sarah Collins (01:07:09.103)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:07:09.794)
So I think, gosh, if I had like a lot of money, I could go to a lot of places and visit a lot of people. And working in higher education all these years, I have connections all over the world, literally, like name a country. I probably have former students there or colleagues there. I did my coaching training in Spain, so I have a lot of colleagues in Europe and a good friend in South Africa. Like, my gosh. So I think I would want to go visit everybody. So.
My connectedness wants to reconnect. My relator wants to maybe bring a couple of close friends. My woo is super excited to like go meet everybody. And yeah, I'm traveling the world.
Bill Dippel (01:07:47.537)
I love it. I love that connectedness. I'm traveling. I'm traveling. Yeah, I'm going to connect with everyone that I think I haven't connected with in a while.
Sarah Collins (01:07:49.202)
the perfect answer! The perfect answer!
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:07:57.346)
Totally.
Sarah Collins (01:07:57.975)
Okay, and before we wrap up, Jennifer, you're writing a book and I have to give you some airspace. Can you tell our audience about your book?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:08:04.464)
sure. Okay. So I did partner with Joe Self a couple of years ago and we did one book. So this is the book Joe and I did. It's Practical Strengths Career Success. So Joe is the author of this whole series and I was the expert contributor. So shout out for that.
Sarah Collins (01:08:11.983)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (01:08:19.853)
And I own that book. It's great. I highly recommend it. It's so easy to use. That's what I love about it is it is just get straight to the point. It's very user friendly, a great, great book. Excellent job.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:08:22.254)
It's a great resource.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:08:31.008)
Yay, I'm glad. In that book, we talk about where do you thrive with your strengths from a career standpoint? What kind of setting to look for? What to communicate that, what do you communicate about your strengths in a job search? How to search, which is this thing that I'm so excited about talking about, and then how do you succeed on the job? So what I'm doing with my book is kind of the how-to of that, right? This book is a reference, but the how-to and then telling the stories.
Sarah Collins (01:08:42.797)
Mm-hmm.
Sarah Collins (01:08:54.788)
Yeah.
Sarah Collins (01:09:00.558)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:09:00.598)
So telling the stories about people who first didn't know their strengths were in some kind of career dilemma. Then learning their strengths either helped them make a decision or help them communicate or actually get the job and then how they landed in a better place. So it's really individual stories with what's the lesson that someone else can learn from it. So it's been so fun to interview people, to reconnect with some of my old clients and students.
and say, hey, I remember when you stepped into your strategic strength. Can you just remind me of the details so that we can capture it for others? So it's a fun project tentatively called Creating Your Strengths-Based Career, Navigating Your Journey to an Ideal Job. I don't think there's one ideal job. I think we find lots of ideal jobs in our lives, but it is your career journey. we'll see. Work From Your Strengths is another good title I think I maybe should.
Sarah Collins (01:09:47.075)
Mm-hmm.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:09:55.714)
consider. So I haven't decided. We'll take a poll. my gosh, I talked to Chad Sheppenthal for two hours about what the title should be, but I'm sure when we publish, I'll have to get definite.
Sarah Collins (01:09:57.966)
your ideation has more than one possible title? I'm shocked.
Bill Dippel (01:09:59.761)
I know, look.
Bill Dippel (01:10:03.855)
ideation just going on.
Sarah Collins (01:10:06.905)
Do we have a TBD published date?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:10:10.594)
So you're asking somebody with discipline, focus, consistency, achieve or low. I would love to get it out this year, but I'm gathering so many stories and having so much fun reconnecting with people. We shall see. So not a tremendously deadline driven person, but hopefully in 2025. My belief is my only high executing talent and I really believe in getting it out into the world. So I hope I can do it on the sooner side.
Sarah Collins (01:10:22.573)
We shall see, so stay tuned. Follow Jennifer on LinkedIn.
Bill Dippel (01:10:35.941)
Nice. Well, we're going to have all of your information on our, on our podcast website, but you want to give a quick statement about how the best way is to find you through other people. it LinkedIn, Facebook, your website, just give a shout out to how people can find you if they're looking for you.
Sarah Collins (01:10:36.111)
Mmm!
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:10:51.63)
Yeah, absolutely. My website is communicatingstrengths.com. That is a great way. There's a discovery call on there for anybody who's interested in career coaching, executive coaching, or team training. Or there's also a link on there if you want me to interview you for the book. So if you're a past client or someone who has a really good, know, I used my strengths in my career story, I would love to connect with you on that. So that's on the website. There's some information on there.
And then LinkedIn is my social media of choice. And so you can find me in LinkedIn under Jennifer Doyle Vansel. I use the long version of my name because both Jennifer Doyle and Jennifer Vansel are more common names. So I use a longer version of my name and I think I'm the only one with that unique version of my name.
Bill Dippel (01:11:40.658)
Well, as I started typing it in during the show, it's the first one that popped up along with the accreditation. So I believe you are correct. You are the only one. So I love it. So well, Jennifer, thank you so much for being with us today. We've we've taken a big chunk of your day here. I got a little long with you and I I want to thank you for donating and giving us the time and but also being so honest and heartfelt in this interview.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:11:45.09)
perfect.
That's great.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:12:06.232)
Thank you so much for having me. It was so much fun to reconnect with you all just individually as people that I know and look forward to seeing you at the conference in Denver, I hope, coming up. I live in Colorado, so we'll be welcoming you all to my home state.
Sarah Collins (01:12:15.629)
Yes, we plan on being there.
Bill Dippel (01:12:15.781)
We will be there, absolutely.
Bill Dippel (01:12:21.819)
Yeah. Wow, look at that. She knocked it across the room. That was good. Yeah, we're excited.
Sarah Collins (01:12:22.275)
I got so excited, I moved my mic. Hello. I was just gonna say, it makes sense that we were a little long today with a communication number one guest, you know? We looked at your thing and we were like, this is gonna be an easy podcast, you know? She's gonna bring it, she's gonna bring it, and she did. No, we will not be cutting anything out. We don't take away gold, okay?
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:12:33.164)
Yeah, it's true.
Bill Dippel (01:12:33.469)
Stunt. I was stunned, yeah.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:12:41.166)
You can cut things out later. You can cut things out later.
Bill Dippel (01:12:45.615)
As, you know.
As the originator, I have the timer here. I'm like, wow, is this a long episode? People are to be like, wow, was this that that there's so much goodness. No, break it. No chance. You're getting it all. So excellent. Well, Jennifer, thank you so much for the time. Thank you for contributing and for what you do. It's just really, really good to hear how you did it. So many great moments of of how to put how to not worry about what you don't do so well and then turn it into something you do so well and how you got to where you are. So thank you for.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:12:56.408)
You need like part one, part two.
Sarah Collins (01:12:59.212)
No, I love it.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:13:01.719)
you
Sarah Collins (01:13:19.821)
and you're ending the episode saying doodoo. And with that, goodbye friends.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:13:20.002)
Thank you.
Bill Dippel (01:13:23.397)
Now, so we will talk to our Arsonists on the next episode. thanks for listening and we'll talk soon.
Jennifer Doyle Vancil (01:13:27.534)
Thank you.
Sarah Collins (01:13:29.699)
You
Bye!